PARTY POOPER POLL

INDEPENDENT POLL:
(if you are a Democratic Voter go here)

Is President Obama...
A. a wimp B. pragmatic C. not a progressive D. a puppet E. a genius ?

(conservatives vote here)

Why OWS is bigger than Left vs. Right.

Stuck in the game frame?
Bright Bart and Big Government?

Why OWS is bigger...

Tactically, what we'll see here will be a) people firmly on the traditional Democratic side claiming to speak for OWS, and b) people on the right-Republican side attempting to portray OWS as a puppet of well-known liberals and other Democratic interests.

Whine and G's?

On the Democratic side, we've already seen a lot of this behavior, particularly in the last week or so. Glenn Greenwald wrote about this a lot last week, talking about how Obama has already made it clear that he is "on the same side as the Wall Street protesters" and that the Democratic Party, through the DCCC (its House fundraising arm), has jumped into the fray by circulating a petition seeking 100,000 party supporters to affirm that "I stand with the Occupy Wall Street protests". (I wonder how firmly the DCCC was standing with OWS sentiment back when it was pushing for the bailouts and the repeal of Glass-Steagall Act).

Really?

What nobody is comfortable with is a movement in which virtually the entire spectrum of middle class and poor Americans is on the same page, railing against incestuous political and financial corruption on Wall Street and in Washington. The reality is that Occupy Wall Street and the millions of middle Americans who make up the Tea Party are natural allies and should be on the same page about most of the key issues, and that's a story our media won't want to or know how to handle.

Not your grandfather's "traditional".

This is an issue for the traditional "left" because it's a classic instance of overweening corporate power - but it's an issue for the traditional "right" because these same institutions are also the biggest welfare bums of all time, de facto wards of the state who sucked trillions of dollars of public treasure from the pockets of patriotic taxpayers from coast to coast

Really?

Both traditional constituencies want these companies off the public teat and back swimming on their own in the cruel seas of the free market, where they will inevitably be drowned in their corruption and greed, if they don't reform immediately. This is a major implicit complaint of the OWS protests and it should absolutely strike a nerve with Tea Partiers, many of whom were talking about some of the same things when they burst onto the scene a few years ago.

I have read Matt Taibbi's piece three times now over the course of parsing this, and I will let you read your own conclusions.

[Then I signed the petition at DCCC (see bold) "I stand..." with the following amendments.(see 3 links)]

[Each of the above blockquotes are directly from Matt Taibbi's piece, with the bold segues my comments. But the final Really?, "Both traditional constituencies want these companies off the public teat and back swimming on their own in the cruel seas of the free market, where they will inevitably be drowned in their corruption and greed, if they don't reform immediately." sounds a bit naive if not libertarian. Companies and Wall Street will not reform themselves any more than they will let themselves fail or let the market do its magic. But it is a matter of who's on board or overboard as well as some sort of tents.]
[Speaking of ironies, or Bright Bart and Big Government, just whose side is who on?]
[Meanwhile I have four posts to further parse. Starting with the big bite. @ 7 minutes 15 seconds in: Over two thirds of New Yorkers support Occupy Wall Street.]

[Oh what a web. No E.B. White:
SCroll up! Tol Keen? Rubric, Elements, what "October", Mis-attribute? Justice and/or sand witchbracket.]
[Alternative Reich? Not to pun on the furor, but is there an alternative?]
[A Democratic* strategist touched on something(on Martin Bashir) that has been embedded in my thoughts, and even more embedded in my writings. The Republican candidate will not come from the activist wing. And indeed the current leader often trails "anybody else". Well, they are not really polling that candidate, but the leaders are still struggling for less than a third of the Republican's votes(current Gallup Romney 20%). My point is that there just might be a compromise or coalition candidate. On the other hand... who am I to say democracy will prevail over the Republic?]
* 10-19-11 I have yet to find the proper link but place some others under Democratic Strategist and Martin Bashir.

One of my readers

if there is more than one, is concerned about my communications.
Note Under Construction label. I agree, it is problematic at times and heavy in links to say the least.

Fair and Balanced News? is a link directing to The Daily Show.

That is called Ledership you can choose to follow.(The FOX NEWS motto versus Comedy Central as a news source.)

Debt is a Red Herring, is a statement and a link and spins from here:

Six Things Everybody Knows About Deficits ...
That Are Completely Untrue
Which I rephrase as truths:

1.) Current and future spending are not the problem with the defecit, except for paying for our history.
2.) Social Security is not a big deal to fix(separately), but could be impacted by the budget and other decisions.
3.) Austerity and investment are different stories, that both have an impact on the budget and winning the future as well as the now.
4.) Concessions should not be trickle down but incentives should be target up.
5.) Wall Street is not fixed enough to be that big or permanent a part of the solution.
6.) Social Security is not on the same budget table as Medicare and Medicaid and calling them "entitlements" is misleading, and means testing or tax changes could address their impact on our economy

The rest is context and more sources, which may merit more spin and unembedding here: segment,the club of association)

If you don't get it you maybe out foxed.

Nonetheless i will further comment on some of the above links.
Club: The Norman Goldman 4-Point Plan to Rescue America
Association Lawrence O'Donnell, Dennis Kucinich interview about Tea Party coordination.
More: Randi Rhodes interviews Ron Paul
Spin: It is hard to believe Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker could be outed by prank, as puppet of Tea Party Sugar Daddy David Koch.
And back to O'Reilly interview of Beck, it completes a circle. The democracy that means the so-called communists and fundamentalists Beck says will be at the table in Egypt will be practiced in some repects in America and there will be uprising against the crony capitalism of Governor (Mubarak)Walker.
[2-24-11 See Comment and added footnotes in the form of the last two links embedded.]
[Late find of Lawrence O'Donnell v. Beck: tangent out ]

I wouldn't go that far.

On the verge of declaring that the CNBC motto should be Lean BackWords, (I did use the term Fauxword), it is interesting how the words(** )play out.
[AM OC "DNC Uses Dressage Horse to Hit Romney on Tax Returns." Hiding behind the skirt of the issues.  Jeb Bush continues the Lyin' Eyesin'.]
But how far should one go? Not* that I was starting from there.**

*the Jansing&Co links aren't there yet
** Oops maybe I was.
(Note anachronism of asterisks-adjusted.)

[Here is where it started and how far will it go? See AM above.]
[This post needs some serious footnoting***. Re: Labels.]

*** V-8?  [under RNP (viii) links are being sourced re: labels and oops, I have a heckuva lot under construction.]

[Post Roman numerals is The Cycle & "It Takes a Village", and understanding(Bane) more than exceptionalism. Mean while... speaking of Hoover. (para-phrasing meta-ramble)The former president on Fame & Power, a puppet in the headlights or swamp gas? Blast from the past, MED or Axis of Awesome, Reign on Parade of Rove 'n Nordquist.  Hal-C-on days?]

[Re:NorMan GoldMan Show (my)comment below, oops, maybe it is hyper-bully?  Speaking of shows, a technical glitch makes his first hour a veil able. (Featuring Third Party candidate and Morman on Romney. Speaking of dissin'genius.]

Debate: Take One

Iraq Question
[The Debate]
Rated

Gravel / Kucinich / Richardson

Obama / Dodd / Edwards

Clinton / Biden
These are pretty much the order of my impression on this question as to how they should be listened to on this matter. The three tiers present a bit of a gap on the issue as to their history and their suggestions now.

Other QCON: McCain on Gonzalez And somewhere (WeGotEd) Senator Leahy GO SENATOR! said he is after the puppet master not the puppets, where he places the U.S. Attorney issue above the concern for the disaster which is the Iraq war. That is the proper level of concern.

QCON RETREAD:
GO SENATOR REID: (Follow up comment on Senator Reid on The Ed Schultz Show: On the Supplemental Bill, I would suggest that this was a compromise and that any new bills (DEMO PLAN B) represent more restrictions on the president, but one last compromise that would truly address one of the president's concerns and the only half way legitimate one, is on the domestic "pork". To compromise, simply split the supplemental so that the president may choose to veto them separately.(Military and Domestic) Congress would also have a choice to override them separately or follow up with plan B. That would be the most political thing to do. Politics is not wrong, it is the choice between tyranny and anarchy. It is what happens in a democracy.

My apologies for the loopiness of the last post. It will be the only one that is truly evolving if I return to it. QCON is short for Quick Comment On the News, and/or Questioning the Con. The Retread refers to the GO SENATORS and the WE GOT ED materials and comments.

TROLL POLL

Get over the lede or ship...
For detractors of the President you have a vote too.
[RIGHT LEANERS POLL]

Is President Obama...
A. a wimp B. pragmatic C. not a progressive D. a puppet E. a genius ?

One answer and vote only. 
Independents here, Democrats here.

Progressive Poll

[For Independents or Other go here.]

Is President Obama...

A. a wimp  B. pragmatic  C. not a progressive  D. a puppet  ?

Note:  This poll is for those who consider themselves Democratic voters, and have shown up at a caucus or voted in a Democratic Primary. 


Spoiler alert or perspective on the poll. 

Hoyle:  There is no E. "all of the above"
NOTE:   It seems I have constructed a most imperfect poll, but I did not want to give any pointers. My original intent had no 4th D ;D. But this demostrates the difficulty in krafting a poll without intent. Or the pointlessness of it not having an intent, not to mention serving the same one up to others.

THE TRUTH APPARENT: A MOBIUS LAP

More about testimony: It would seem unprecedented that the selection of the Vice president was also un-presidential, in that the head of the search committee for Vice president selected himself.

This brings to mind as they testify in tandem, somewhat of a Charlie McCarthyism.

A mobius loop is another image that earlier came to mind and was triggered as Cheney declared Clarke out of the loop.

[No links were originally provided at the date of this post, but on 3-24-08 I now update starting with the Huffington link below at CommonDreams.org regarding updated democracy and pertains to testimony before congress and the 9-11 committee both of which are after my post. And to blow the Punch and Judy line above, there is the puppet and there are the investigations, and there is self defeating. (But the last bit just fell into place]

[6-8-09: I am uncertain as to my Punch and Judy reference, unless it is to the unPC of it or the self-defeating nature of it all.]

[not to mention 8-13-09]